The Knowbodies Podcast

Know. Your. Body. We are two physical therapists passionate about creating a more informed and healthier society through speaking with leading minds in the worlds of health, fitness, and self-development. The goal is to tackle any and all subjects relating to the most dynamic organism on the planet: the human body.
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May 3, 2017

Eran is the founder and President of VRPhysio Inc. He is an Ex IAF Executive officer and holds a BA in Business Management, Government, and Politics, and an MBA in Entrepreneurship and Innovation Business Administration from Ben Gurion University. Previously, Eran served as initiator and coordinator of the “IAF spinal cord damage prevention program” for air crew personnel and has significant experience in the physical therapy prevention industry. 

VRPhysio develops smart virtual reality tele-rehabilitation platform that gamifies physical therapy and makes it Fun and easy to monitor. By using virtual reality games and interactive guides, VRPhysio devices monitor patients through their prescribed rehab or preventive exercises, measure progress and provide a report to the physical therapist.

Virtual reality based physical therapy provides patients with the continuity of care they need to keep them on track and motivated, on the path to recovery.  The first product- VRPclinic , will be launched in May 2017 as a medical device and will revolutionize the physical therapy industry

Exclusive Offer from VRPhysio: 

For our audience only! Eran has offered a special offer to join the early adaptors package: $300 per month or $3000 per year (instead of $600/$6000) for unlimited use of VRPhysio software.

Using the VR software only 3 times a week for the entire year (for 8 to 15 min/each time billed as CPT code 97110) covers the yearly price of the software. 

If anyone is interested, all they need to do is email with their info and the word Knowbodies to be added to the list of the early adaptors package

Show Notes: 

  • Eran's backstory and PT experience
  • The birth of VRPhysio
  • The weaknesses of PT that virtual reality aims to improve
  • How will VR work? Details of the set up, parameters, and diverse application
  • Is VR a billable medical devise in rehab? is it FDA approved?
  • How can VR make a PT's life easier? 
  • VR in the clinic and in the home, its easier than we may think!
  • Who is VR most effective for? 
  • What equipment is necessary to implement VR software?
  • The team at VRPhysio and the R&D coming in the near future
  • How easy is VR to implement and use as a PT tool?
  • The expansive reach of VR, and what VRPhysio is doing before anyone else
  • Quantifying PT sessions with VR and making treatments more efficient 
  • Listener question: The ethics of VR and its potential to replace PT's?
  • Listener question: Creating a start up on someone else's hardware
  • The challenges and growth, and future of VR Physio 
Apr 19, 2017

In this episode we sit down with lawyer and former physical therapy patient, Erin Jackson, JD of Jackson & Co. and Inspire Santé. During this episode we dive into Erin's story of managing and overcoming persistent pelvic pain and how that ultimately led her into specializing in healthcare law. Her honesty and transparency in this talk were incredibly eye opening and we hope that her story helps and inspires others who might be going through a similar situation that Erin faced.

Erin Jackson, JD, MA Bio Erin Jackson is a healthcare attorney, consultant, and health equity advocate. She is an attorney at Jackson LLP, a healthcare law firm in Chicago, and a co-owner of Jackson & Co., a healthcare consultancy serving the compliance and business needs of providers nationwide. Additionally, Erin is the President of the nonprofit organization Inspire Santé (which means "to inspire health"). In that capacity, she speaks to healthcare providers about the importance of maintaining a patient-centered practice. Through frequent blogging about her personal journey with chronic pelvic pain, Erin also seeks to remove the stigma that envelops many sufferers of invisible illnesses. This year, Erin will be expanding her reach as an educator, consultant, and advocate.

Websites & contact info: Jackson & Co.

Healthcare Consultancy: 

Jackson LLP Law Firm: 

Inspire Santé, NFP: 

Persistent pain blog: 

Health law blog: 


Twitter: @healthy_lawyer

Apr 17, 2017

In this episode we sat down with Dr. Miye Fonseca, PT, DPT and founder of Therapy Exam Prep. Miye was recently featured on Karen Litzy's Healthy, Wealthy, and Smart Podcast and we knew immediately we needed to have her on the show to discuss her strategies for preparing for and dominating the National Physical Therapy Exam (NPTE). For our soon-to-be new graduates, Miye drops some knowledge bombs in this episode. From sleep patterns, to diet, to actual test-taking strategies, we cover it all!

We hope you enjoy!

Apr 14, 2017

In this episode I sit down with Dr. Will Crane, PT, DPT of PT Final Exam. Will has been helping people prepare for the National Physical Therapy Exam (NPTE) for years now and he was generous enough to take some time out of his day to share some helpful strategies on the following:

  • Mental preparation prior to the exam
  • How to schedule your week leading up to the exam
  • Day of the exam preparation
  • Within exam mental strategies to stay calm
  • How to choose the best answer after you have narrowed it down to 2 choices
  • Understanding the structure and design of the exam
  • How to celebrate after you are done!

If you enjoyed this episode and are curious about Will's work, check out his website at

Apr 12, 2017

Dave Kittle, PT, DPT turned tech entrepreneur and founder/CEO Vinitial - a secure, HIPAA texting app for patients, providers, and front desk (scheduling, payments, and more). Start free here:


Show Notes:

  • com and the future of brilliant podcasting
  • Creating and promoting Vinitial
  • The change of mindset from Idea to Action
  • Jeff Bezos and how to approach a major decision
  • The importance of passion, enthusiasm and salesmanship
  • Streamlining healthcare communication
  • Reducing healthcare redundancy and improving accessibility
  • The real deal of persistence
  • Cold calling and salesmanship
  • The influence of John Paul DeJoria (Patron) and Howard Shultz (starbucks)
  • Dave turns the mic around and gets the ideal PT setting out of hosts Will and Nick
  • Shout out to Raj Padalia, PT, DPT and how to impress
  • The only way to stick out of a crowd
  • The power of putting yourself out there
  • The future healthcare predictions


Follow Dave on any of the following platforms, and make sure to check out vinitial on iTunes at

Twitter / instagram / linkedin @ DaveKittle or DaveKittleNow

Online at

Email @


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Apr 5, 2017

Michael J. Breus, Ph.D., is a Clinical Psychologist and both a Diplomate of the American Board of Sleep Medicine and a Fellow of The American Academy of Sleep Medicine. He was one of the youngest people to have passed the Board at age 31 and, with a specialty in Sleep Disorders, is one of only 163 psychologists in the world with his credentials and distinction. Dr. Breus is on the clinical advisory board of The Dr. Oz Show and appears regularly on the show (>30 times in 4 years).

Dr. Breus is the author of The Sleep Doctor’s Diet Plan: Lose Weight Through Better Sleep (Rodale Books; May 2011), a groundbreaking book discussing the science and relationship between quality sleep and metabolism.

His first book, GOOD NIGHT: The Sleep Doctor’s 4-WeekProgram to Better Sleep and Better Health (Dutton/Penguin), an Amazon Top 100 Best Seller, has been met with rave reviews and continues to change the lives of readers. It is now available in paperback as BEAUTY SLEEP: Look Younger, Lose Weight, and Feel Great Through Better Sleep.

His latest book is now published! THE POWER OF WHEN: Working with your body’s inner clock for maximum health, happiness, and productivity is easy, exciting, and fun.

Show Notes:

  • What is sleep?
  • The two brain systems of sleep: Drive and Rhythm 
  • What is Adenosine and why its important
  • Synching drive and rhythm to get a better sleep
  • Knowing YOUR timing and sleep needs and making it consistent
  • Caffeine impact on sleep
  • Signs of sleep deprivation
  • "Normal" sleep habits in terms of quantity and quality
  • Common pathologies and risk factors for poor sleep
  • The secret to sleep & ramping down
  • What's the deal with dreaming? what happens and why we do it
  • Disrupting and assisting "deep sleep" 
  • Abnormal sleep cycles
  • Technology and its impact on sleep
  • Visit and for some cool sleep technology
  • light is medicine and respecting light
  • Defining a "Chronotype" and The Power of When
  • Rescheduling minor things for major sleep improvements

Stay tuned to all of Dr. Breus' well read work and new projects at

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Mar 27, 2017

In this week’s #PTedition of The Knowbodies Podcast we sit down with the Godfather, Jerry Durham, PT to talk about the current state of Physical Therapy and the direction this wonderful profession is going in.

In this episode:

  • Jerry shares his thoughts on his recent course with Jeff Moore and Paul Gough in Las Vegas
  • Jerry sheds light on what makes Jeff Moore so special as a PT
  • The difference between evidence-based medicine and evidence-based practice
  • Jerry explains why the patient experience is so critical to providing excellent patient care
  • Jerry shares his experience with Justin Dunaway of STAND Haiti and why Justin is such an awesome guy
  • Jerry breaks down where he sees the current state of the profession of physical therapy
  • The importance of approaching federal and state advocacy differently than we previously have
  • Jerry explains why our patients are and always will be our biggest advocates
  • Jerry’s thoughts on #GetPT1st and why our intraprofessional arguing isn’t helping our patients
  • Retweets > Likes
  • Why Jerry read a math book? Check out Social Physics
  • The power of storytelling and why we aren’t doing a good enough job of telling our patients’ stories
  • Jerry shares why our communication and how we communicate with other healthcare professionals is of paramount importance
  • The power of language
  • What do Jerry and Jeff drink when they meet at airports?
  • What are Jerry’s favorite airport bars?


If you enjoyed this episode, feel free to leave us a review on iTunes! Every review means a lot to us!

Mar 22, 2017

Dr Mitch Babcock is a Physical Therapist and CrossFit Level I Trainer with a primary purpose of helping others pursue a greater state of health through fitness. After receiving his bachelor’s degree in exercise science, Mitch went on to receive his Doctorate in physical therapy to better understand the human movement system and help others recover from the injuries & limitations hindering their performance. With personal training experience in CrossFit, as a NPC physique competitor & in endurance events, Mitch continues to test his physical potential daily in order to better help you reach yours. 

Show Notes:

  • The "bobcat"
  • Mitch’s background of fitness in healthcare
  • The influence of Kelly Starrett
  • Crossfit
  • The blueprint to Mitch’s path
  • Finding a circle of support
  • Clicking with CI and mentor Zach Long
  • Masterminds Jeff Moore and Gene Shirokobrod
  • Certification and professional hierarchy
  • Balancing professional roles within a busy schedule
  • Making PT routine as a group player
  • Sampling the redline mentality
  • Sweating with your people
  • The importance of Walking YOUR walk, whatever it may be
  • Stop running from Self reflection
  • Jeff Moore's rocking chair fear
  • How to check your ego
  • Advice for exercise science majors
  • What's Crossfit is doing right and how it will progress
  • A message of how to partner health and fitness
  • Finding personal fitness success

Find out more about Mitch, the great work he's doing and all the fitness knowledge you can handle here:

Facebook: "Mitch Babcock"

Twitter/instagram: "unchained physio"

Mar 15, 2017

Dr. Perry Nickelston is a Chiropractic Sports Physician with primary focus on Performance Enhancement and Corrective Exercise, Metabolic Fitness Nutrition and trained from The American College of Addictionology and Compulsive Disorders. He is an expert in myofascial, orthopedic, medical and trigger point soft tissue therapy.

A member of the Board of Directors and Medical Staff Advisor for AIMLA (American Institute for Medical Laser Application, Dr. Perry teaches healthcare professionals all over the world how to successfully use Class IV Deep Tissue Laser Therapy in alleviating pain. Dr. Perry is an expert in movement assessment and diagnosis. Certified and trained from as a Functional Movement Specialist (FMS) and Selective Functional Movement Assessment Specialist (SFMA).

He uses programs designed to find your cause of painful dysfunction and correct it so you feel better. He is regular columnist for Dynamic Chiropractic Journal and writes for industry trade publications in health and fitness. He is a 1997 graduate from Palmer Chiropractic University and a master fitness trainer with over 20 years experience in the health industry. Dr. Perry is currently publishing books with strategies on the importance of recovery and regeneration in fitness.


  • Movement is KEY!
  • Are we thinking ourselves sick, strong, and weak
  • Using movement to modulate pain
  • Defining Stop Chasing Pain – The story behind the name
  • The three things that effect our ability to move: the individual, the task, the environment
  • Using the ENVIRONMENT to break up the pain loop
  • Going down the CSP (crazy shit path) to get people better
  • Work from the ground up and becoming a specialized mover
  • Breaking out the old brain maps of movement from our toddler years
  • Crossing industry lines between PT’s, fitness professionals and Chiropractors
  • The critter brain and the 3 F’s
  • Learning and teaching as a collaboration
  • Don’t be afraid to look stupid

Visit to find the stop chasing pain podcast, content on various medical and fitness topics, videos, articles and much more


Tags: Tony Robbins, Gray Cook, Lee Burton, Jim Thorpe, Austin Kleon

Mar 8, 2017

This week, we sat down with the wonderful staff of De La Torre Orthotics and Prosthetics to discuss the relationship between the patient who has recently undergone an amputation and their prosthetist. De La Torre O&P is a family-run company based in Pittsburgh, PA and is currently led by owner Ed De La Torre. In this episode, Ed shares the story behind the founding of De La Torre O&P, and we interview Drew Buffat, a prosthetist with De La Torre O&P and Brian Moser, current social media organizer for De La Torre and below-the-knee amputee. Brian and Drew speak openly about the times of joy, difficulty, and uncertainty that they have faced as a team working together over the past several years.

In this episode we touch on:

  • The history behind the founding of De La Torre O&P
  • How Drew became a part of the De La Torre O&P team and how Brian found De La Torre O&P
  • Brian's story of undergoing an amputation and the transition into navigating the world with a prosthetic leg
  • Brian's physical and emotional journey from amputation to walking again
  • Drew and Brian's relationship and the ins and outs of what both the prosthetist and amputee go through during sock fittings, adjustments, and functional movement assessments
  • De La Torre's vision for the future and the future of prosthetics

If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with a friend who you think might enjoy it as well! Kind regards, The Knowbodies

Feb 24, 2017

In this week’s special #dptstudent episode we talk with current DPT students Dy’mire Jones from South College’s DPT program and Joseph Lipsky from Columbia’s DPT program. Both Dy’mire and Joe have become leaders in the student physical therapist (SPT) community and in this episode we explore what has led them to becoming successful students.

In this episode we discuss:

  • Why Dy’mire and Joe chose the DPT programs they currently attend
  • Do DPT students have enough say in the content of their curriculums?
  • Keys to becoming successful DPT students
  • A conversation about what we like and what we would change about the structure of current DPT programs
  • Where do Joe and Dy’mire see the future of PT and PT education going moving forward?
  • Where you can learn more about Dy’mire and Joe and how to stay connected with them 

We hope you enjoy this episode!

Feb 22, 2017

In this week's episode we sit down with Canadian Field Hockey Olympian and Molecular Biology Ph.D. Candidate Ben Martin. Ben recently participated in the Rio 2016 Olympics with the Canadian Men's National Field Hockey Team. He shares with us his favorite moments of being a part of the Olympics as well as his love-hate relationship with the team's physiotherapist in order to stay in optimal shape for the Games. 

Ben is also a Ph.D. candidate in Molecular Biology at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada where his research focuses on answering a central question of chromatin biology: does histone acetylation occur as a cause or a consequence of transcription?

In this episode we touch on:

  • Ben's experience being a part of the Canadian Men's Field Hockey Olympic Team in Rio this past summer
  • Why Ben has a love-hate relationship with physiotherapy
  • How Ben was able to balance being a Ph.D. student while being an Olympic athlete
  • Understanding Ben's research that focuses on genetic transcription (think coding)
  • The science of epigenetics and the role it plays moving forward with studying our genome
  • Ben's thoughts on genetic modifications including how CRISPR has changed the modifying game
  • Ben's research and future after completing his Ph.D.

You can learn more about Ben and his work by following him on Twitter at @bmart87

and through these websites:


Feb 15, 2017

Dr. Daniel S. Kim is a general dentist in Kennett Square, PA, about 45 minutes southwest of Philadelphia.  His practice has become specialized in comprehensive dental rehabilitation, with focus on the intersections of dentistry and medicine.  Along with general dentistry, Dr. Kim provides dentomandibular physical therapy in order to treat orofacial pain and chronic tension type or migraine headaches and continues to discover more that dentists can do to provide patients with relief from chronic pain conditions.  Outside of practice, he enjoys cooking (and more importantly, eating), enjoying the outdoors with his dog, and traveling!

In this episode we discuss:

  • The evolution of dentistry and it’s uniqueness in the health industry
  • Finding a balance between medicine and customer service
  • How to create an experience that puts the patient first
  • The value of education and behavior change and leveraging each
  • Similarities between PT’s and dentists, and the importance of inter-professional cooperation
  • Healthcare business models and the future of our service industry
  • Flossing, brushing or both?
Feb 8, 2017

“A Positive Perspective To Help The Stressed Or Depressed Student”


A big thanks goes out to Dr. Ryan Smith for joining the Knowbodies once again to deliver a powerful message to the PT and college student community. With research officially listing PT and other healthcare professions as occupations topping the list for burnout, its no surprise that some of the younger, less experienced members of these communities feel the stress early on. Will, Eric, and Nick were so fortunate to sit down with Ryan as he shared his personal experience with depression and how it impacted his professional and emotional well-being. Special recognition goes to Cruz Romero, SPT for his recent publication in The Pulse: “My Biggest Challenge in Physical Therapy School? Imposter Syndrome”. Cruz’s writing really hits home with a lot of students pushing through difficult programs, and is a great read for anyone looking to gain insight and direction to overcome some of the common struggles that may accompany PT school.


Ryan’s biography taken from his website: uMove Physiotherapy & Performance


Ryan graduated from the University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point with a bachelors degree in Athletic Training in 2013 and graduated from Ohio State University with a doctoral degree in physical therapy in 2016. 


“My career being involved in rehabilitation and wellness began when I was an athletic trainer as an undergraduate. Even then I developed a niche for being the “rehab guy.” Even when I look back on those times and realize how little I knew I had an ability to connect with those athletes. It wasn’t because of a superior set of skills or vast knowledge but it was because I understood what a recovery from in an injury during an athlete’s season meant to them and I simply found ways to help them.


Fast forward a few years and that same mindset has carried over into how I practice as a physical therapist. My expectations that I thought my internships would be versus what reality gave me were vastly different. For that reason I decided to go out on my own so I could get back to treating the patient in front of me and get involved directly within the community.


That decision has led me to be involved with both a Crossfit Gym and a Strength and Conditioning gym. I now have the ability to not only work with individuals on a daily basis in an environment that they love but I get to work on community issues that I have a passion for. Youth athletes and the increasing injuries that seem to be occurring in them and general population health in which Crossfit is tackling with movement, nutrition and recovery.


If you have ever been interested in joining, starting or learning about a cash based PT practice, then check out our first interview with Dr. Ryan Smith as he breaks down his story, going right into the cash PT market right out of school!


This leads me to now. I’m a small business owner. An entrepreneur. An athletic trainer. A doctor of physical therapy.


I deeply value and understand that it is the entire person in front of me that I have to consider. It’s never just a pain, just a knee, just a shoulder. It’s what that means as a whole.


Thus through continuing education, mentors and most importantly the experiences that my patients give provide me is what keeps me engaged in a constant learning process to better myself. This way when it comes down to it I deliver reassurance, help and a plan that leads to a continuation in training, recovery from injury and a return to activity without hesitation or pain.”


Show Notes:

  • We catch up with Ryan, and discuss his background with depression and how it came about
  • We explore the implications of depression on school work, social life and motivation
  • We identify the process that Ryan experienced that helped him evolve and grow with the challenges he faces
  • We address the stigma’s and social perception of depression and how to talk to someone who may be experiencing these emotions
  • We outline the actionable steps that allow us to embrace the inevitable wave of emotions that occur in life


Follow Ryan on social media at the following places!

Feb 3, 2017

In this roundtable podcast, The Knowbodies have a spirited conversation regarding some of the mobile apps related to fitness, wellness, and nutrition that have helped us set and achieve some of our new year’s resolutions.


If you are looking for extra incentive to walk or run and would ALSO like to serve a great cause by helping to raise money then check out CHARITYMILES or WOOFTRAX for a unique way to change your daily walk with your dog or lunchtime stroll into a charitable cause.


For a more running focused app with a fun story based twist, maybe ZOMBIES RUN! Is more up your alley. ZOMBIES mixes short audio book story segments with your own motivational music (and little something extra that I won’t spoil here) to create a motivational and addicting change of pace.


Rounding up the fitness apps is a nod to the fantastic minds at DAREBEE.COM and their PANDORA role-playing fitness game that allows the user to participate in countless physical fitness challenges in order to progress the story.


From a nutritional standpoint, we throw our support behind FOODUCATE and FITMENCOOK for their affordable apps and the information that they provide. FOODUCATE takes complex nutritional concepts and breaks them down into digestible tidbits. Additionally, FOODUCATE has a scan/search option that you can use on your household foods or when grocery shopping to provide a snapshot of the nutritional content of foods and even provides a grade scale to help you make healthy food choices.


FITMENCOOK is a cheap encyclopedia of recipes that take the complexity out of healthy cooking. With FITMENCOOK you can categorize the recipes into diet specific goals (i.e. low- carb, high protein, low sugar) and even organize your next grocery-shopping trip to help you plan ahead for some healthy cooking for the week.


Healthy habits are tough to maintain and good habits are often more than simply checking off the list. Often it takes mental toughness and realistic goal setting in order to keep a healthy habit rolling once the stresses of life start to pile up.


Some mobile apps like APLANFORLIVING and HABITICA can help provide the structure and reward feedback that might just help you keep your resolutions through the good times and the tough times. APLANFORLIVING is the modern day digital diary with pre-organized sections for assessing your mood, practicing gratitude, and even voicing your frustrations. Even for the non-diary users, this app provides all the structure and requires so little time that it might just be what you need to help improve your mood and assess your stressors.


HABITICA is the final app we cover in this episode and it may be one that you have already come across. HABITICA is an enormous online community of users that take a retro-style gaming approach to helping you set and achieve your goals. HABITICA bases your experience around building and upgrading a character in your likeness that thrives when you enter daily to-do lists, refine healthy habits, and complete pre-organized challenges (e.g. daily walking, reading, or self-reflection). In contrast, if you allow these goals to go on uncompleted, your sprite suffers the consequences and could lose life or points for even more motivation to keep your resolutions! If you are motivated by games and list-making, this app is the one you need to help organize and refine your habits!


Take a listen to hear more about these fantastic apps as well as some personal stories from The Knowbodies on our experiences with mobile apps and goal-setting.


Until next time,

It’s your body, know it!


Feb 1, 2017


This week we are humbled to release our newest episode "Making Sense of Chronic Pain" with guest, Dr. Joe Tatta, PT, DPT from New York City. Dr. Tatta has been a practicing Physical Therapist for over 2 decades and has recently authored an Amazon Best-Selling book, "Heal Your Pain Now: A Revolutionary Program to Reset Your Brain and Body for a Pain-Free Life". Enjoy this powerful and eye-opening episode with the insightful and kind-hearted Dr. Joe Tatta.


From Dr. Tatta’s website

Dr. Joe Tatta is a doctor of physical therapy, board certified nutrition specialist and functional medicine practitioner who specializes in treating persistent pain and lifestyle-related musculoskeletal, metabolic and autoimmune health issues.  He is the host of The Healing Pain Podcast designed to broaden the conversation around natural strategies toward solving persistent pain. Dr. Tatta is the author of the best selling book Heal Your Pain Now; A Revolutionary Program to Reset Your Brain and Body for a Pain-Free Life by Da Capo Press. He is currently in private practice and also provides Online Health Consulting to help people achieve a pain-free life free from chronic disease.  Learn more by visiting

Show Notes

Topics touched on during this episode:

  • Tatta’s reasons behing writing “Heal Your Pain Now”
  • The initial challenges of confronting chronic pain
  • The connection between psychological stress and chronic pain. What is pain catastrophizing?
  • The role of nutrition and our GI system when it comes to chronic inflammation
  • The role of Physical Therapists in treating chronic pain. Do we have a role? How do we best approach treating chronic pain?
  • Dr. Tatta’s personal history dealing with Polymorphic Light Eruption, a skin condition that led him to using cortisone, which ultimately led to chronic pain. Dr. Tatta shares this story that started his journey into studying chronic conditions.
  • How nutrition and supplements have played a role in Dr. Tatta curbing his symptoms
  • Tatta’s approach to taking a solid history when it comes to nutrition. What have you eaten the past 3 days?
  • What is a ketogenic diet?
  • Tatta’s final thoughts on the epidemic of chronic pain that we as a society are facing

Follow Dr. Joe Tatta on Social Media

Twitter: @DrJoeTatta


Jan 25, 2017

Show Notes:

  • Why Philly fans > all others
  • Left coast vs Right coast lifestyles
  • The most important things of life
  • Developing a passion for music, movement and medicine
  • Music in the world of a physio’s and athletes
  • What does Chris listen to while he trains?
  • The 80/20 split and creating healthy habits
  • Using mantra’s and self talk to get past “the wall”
  • Book Plug: The Power of Full Engagement by Jim Loehr and Tony Schwartz
  • Where and how to find inspiration
  • Read information and TALK to people from other fields
  • The family lifestyle and a PT fatherhood
  • Chris’s recent projects: The Runners Zone and the run cadence app
  • Chris doesn’t ask much from Santa, but instead turns the tables on his interviewers


If you’re interested in learning more about Chris or how to contact or follow him, please do so at On his website you’ll find his publications, the runcadence app, access to Runners Zone and tons of other great content, as well as how to follow him on twitter and Facebook.

Jan 11, 2017

In this episode, we had the pleasure to chat with Erik Vance, the author of Suggestible You: The Curious Science of Your Brain's Ability to Deceive, Transform, and Heal

Curious about his new book? Find out more here: Suggestible You Website

Who is Erik?

(Taken from

Erik Vance is a native Bay Area writer replanted in Mexico as a non-native species. Before becoming a writer he was, at turns, a biologist, a rock climbing guide, an environmental consultant, and an environmental educator. 

His work focuses on the human element of science – the people who do it, those who benefit from it, and those who do not. He has written for The New York Times, Nature, Scientific American, Harper’s, National Geographic, and a number of other local and national outlets. 

His first book, Suggestible You, about how the mind and body continually twist and shape our realities was inspired by his feature in Discover and is available for pre-order on Amazon.

Show Notes for this Episode

  • The story of why Erik currently lives in Mexico City and his favorite foods to eat since moving to the DF 
  • The definition of "placebo" and "placebo effect"
  • Can patients with Parkinson's disease be influenced by the placebo effect?
  • Why are pills different colors? (Hint: It's not because they need to be different colors)
  • Language and it's impact on pain
  • Erik's personal experience with physical therapy
  • Pain and it's potential to be influenced by placebo effects
  • Can we test the impact of placebo effects in physical therapy?
  • The role of empathy and our environment in treating patients
Jan 4, 2017

Will, Eric and Nick indulge in conversation with special guest Dr. Steve Karas to gain a worldly perspective on PT, healthcare and making a difference in peoples lives.


Steve Karas, PT, DSc, CMPT, OCS, ATC is a faculty member at Chatham University where he teaches orthopedics and the spine, and maintains consistent clinical practice. He obtained his Physical Therapy Doctorate from Andrews University along with a certification from The North American Institute of Orthopedic Manual Therapy (NAIOMT). His current research includes grant-funded study of techniques and outcomes of thoracic spine manual therapy. He has presented nationally and internationally on these topics. Dr. Karas is a member of the AAOMPT research committee & education special interest group, a reviewer for JMMT and MT, and has contributed to the content of the APTA OCS examination.


We covered the following topics in our live sit down with Dr. Karas:

  • Karas journey from an ATC to a PT
  • The best thing about Ireland? Guinness, obviously. Dr. Karas shares some other highlights about studying abroad in PT school
  • The constructs of international healthcare through the eyes of a PT
  • ICD10 medical codes (used to describe the medical diagnosis) can really get interesting in Australia
  • Magpies, kangaroos, snakes, PT, healthcare education. 1 year in the outback in a nutshell
  • We compare PT in the states to PT in Australia and the possible perception of what a PT stands for in both places
  • Karas provides a PT message for people all over the globe (and offers a tactful apology if anyone’s offended)
  • How to promote the right activity for every person
  • Talking someone out of the “bone on bone” mindset
  • Old an current literature that is driving Dr. Karas’ most recent spinal research
  • The “bell curve” of patients that get better and why “The N of 1” is the most important stat a PT should know


For more information about Dr. Karas and to find quality evidence, follow Dr. Karas on Research gate @ and look for his collaboration with continuing education courses.


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Jan 3, 2017

Bonus! After we wrapped up recording with Andrew Wade MS, RDN, LDN of Case Specific Nutrition, we managed to bend his ear for a little while longer and were fortunate enough to get it on tape as we did. In this supplement recording, we get a sneak peak into Andrew’s secret protein shake recipe and the sunregulated of foods. We also come to a conclusion on the topic of diet needs, especially for younger and female athletes and how specific considerations need to be appreciated and likely promoted with the rising number of younger athletes participating today. We venture from the norm for a while to softball some ideas for the future of food management, food shopping, and food waste. Finally, we touch on the diet requirements and utility of supplements when considering a vegetarian diet.

Dec 28, 2016

In this episode we are fortunate to have on the show Andrew Wade MS, RDN, LDN of Case Specific Nutrition located right here in Pittsburgh. Andrew is Pittsburgh’s formal diet and nutrition authority contributing his work via his multiple blog sites and also the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Get to know Andrew more by clicking here.


Today, The Knowbodies talk about how Andrew’s consulting and services company “Case Specific Nutrition” came to be and discuss some of the unique aspects of diet counseling that Andrew has developed from personal experience and over the years with his clients. Andrew breaks down the nuances of diet management when it comes to the mindset of the dieting individual, what makes nutritional planning effective, and some of the tools that he has developed to help clients stay on course despite hectic schedules and lifestyles.


We tackle some of the toughest questions when it comes to diet management like: How accurate are the daily calorie allowances that are advertised on common foods? How does the athlete’s diet differ from the everyday Joe? And what strategies can a work-a-holic use to help them be more regimented in their meal planning once the time crunch of the workweek starts?


Give us a listen and you may be surprised by some of the things you learn. The world of nutrition is constantly evolving and ever-present in the media so stay informed with our personal interview with the one dietitian that you need to get to know.

Dec 21, 2016

In this MONSTER episode we asked some of our favorite guests from this past year to answer one question: "What would your message to the class of 2016 DPT students be?"

This episode features:

  • Gene Shirokobrod, PT, DPT and CEO of UpDoc Media
    • Host of the TherapyInsiders Podcast
  • Greg Todd, PT, and Owner of Renewal Rehabilitation Physical Therapy Clinics
    • Host of The Hunt For Greatness Podcast
  • Lisa Holland, PT, DPT and Private Practice Owner
    • Host of Owning HER Health Podcast
  • Chad Prince, PT and Inventor of the UELadder
    • Author of Physical Therapy: Career and Salary Guide
  • Andrew Rothschild, PT, DPT and Podcast Host
    • Host of Healthcare DisruPTion Podcast
  • Jeff Moore, PT, DPT and Owner of the Institute of Clinical Excellence
    • Host of the PT on ICE Podcast

Hope you enjoy this episode with some amazing physical therapists!

Dec 7, 2016

In this episode we discuss pain science and the STAND Haiti Project with Dr. Justin Dunaway, PT, DPT, OCS. Nick and Will met first met Justin in Pittsburgh while taking one of his spinal thrust manipulation courses. Justin has an incredible way with teaching pain science and helps us break down the following topics in this episode:

  • What is the STAND Haiti Project?
  • Why is it important to send physical therapists to Haiti?
  • Who can join the STAND Haiti mission?
  • What is the difference between short-term (acute) pain and chronic pain?
  • Do patients' expectation of pain influence their recovery?
  • How does he help people overcome chronic pain symptoms?
  • Does Justin ever get injured? (You might be suprised...and his answer)

Check out The STAND Haiti Project and read more about Dr. Justin Dunaway through The STAND Haiti Project website or follow him through Twitter @drdunawaydpt


Also, you can follow Justin's work on Twitter through @icephysio and STAND Haiti's information on Twitter through @STANDHaiti

Nov 23, 2016

In this episode, we had an online happy hour with the founder of The Senior Rehab Project, Dr. Dustin Jones, PT, DPT. Dustin is a practicing physical therapist located in Kentucky and has created an incredible online community dedicated to helping older adults stay fit and functionally strong. We had a blast chatting with Dustin and hope you enjoy the tremendous value he brings to his patients in this episode.


Highlights from this episode:

  • Dustin's background as a physical therapist
  • How Dustin approaches older adults as athletes
  • Strengthening comes in many forms and how beliefs play a vital role in strategies for strength training
  • Is anyone too old to strength train and see gains in strength?
  • Signs to look for in your aging family members and friends who might be prone to falls from not having enough strength
  • Dustin's thoughts on how to change the environment and community to be more proactive in addressing our aging society


Nov 16, 2016

Dr. Erin Williams-Hatala


In this episode the Knowbodies were extremely excited to learn from Dr. Hatala about the Human hand, her involvement as a researcher and her captivating perspective on the evolution of human behavior that has molded the adaptations our hands poses today. In this podcast you we explore the following topics:

  • The curious transition into a career in Hominid Paleobiology (and how easily that title rolls off Dr. Hatala’s tongue)
  • The fascinating theories of human evolution and the impact our ancestor’s behavior had on forging the bodies we have now
  • What does the original and current research suggest our hands are intended for?
  • We discuss theories supporting the importance of our hands and the anatomical significance of how different wed be without them
  • How do male crabs impress the ladies?
  • Is there potential for the hand to continue to evolve given our modernized lifestyles
  • Why cant a chimp win the prize at a carnival ball toss? Can chimps throw better or worse then humans?


Dr. Hatala’s BIOGRAPHY

I was born in Ann Arbor, MI and lived there through high school. I moved to Grinnell, IA to attend Grinnell College where I studied Anthropology and Archaeology. In 2005 I joined the Hominid Paleobiology Doctoral Program in The George Washington University’s Center for the Advanced Study of Hominid Paleobiology, in Washington, DC. I received a Masters in Anthropology in 2007, a MPhil in Hominid Paleobiology in 2009, and a PhD in the same discipline in 2011. My dissertation and research as a NSF and L’Oreal USA for Women in Science postdoctoral fellow focused on human functional anatomy, the influence of biomechanical regiments on the evolution of human upper limb anatomy, and the biomechanics of making and using Paleolithic tools. I am very excited about beginning a new phase of research with a group of international collaborators, investigating the anatomy, functional anatomy, and biomechanics of (mainly tool-using) non-human primates.



Williams-Hatala, EM. “Biomechanics of the human hand: from stone tools to computer keyboards.” in The Evolution of the Primate Hand: Perspectives from Anatomical, Developmental, Functional and Paleontological Evidence. Kivell, TL; Lemelin, P; Richmond, BG; and Schmitt, D (eds). Springer, New York, NY. In press

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