The Knowbodies Podcast

Know. Your. Body. We are two physical therapists passionate about creating a more informed and healthier society through speaking with leading minds in the worlds of health, fitness, and self-development. The goal is to tackle any and all subjects relating to the most dynamic organism on the planet: the human body.
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Nov 22, 2018

In this episode we sit down with two adventurers, Allie D'Andrea and Nick Berger of Worn and Weathered. Allie and Nick have been spending the last few years cultivating a lifestyle that is truly remarkable. The freedom of working for themselves, the fulfillment of giving back to their communities and supporters, and the motivation they create for others to go after their ambitions has taken over social media - for all the right reasons. 

We dive into the back story of their mission, and discuss the exciting new challenges they embrace as they start their new company, Worn and Weathered.

Check out the social media accounts led by Allie and Nick, follow their story and if you want to reach out, please don't hesitate. We cant think of better examples of how to create a brand around a mission thats worth pursuing.

facebook, youtube @outdoorsallie

Instagram@ outdoors_allie

Instagram@ NickJberger


Nov 14, 2018

We can't believe our 1 month break turned into 4...I guess we needed more time than we thought to refresh our minds after 2 straight years of a weekly episode. We are back, though, and ready to rock n' roll! We chat about how our lives and careers have changed over the past 4 months...Nick has started his own Fitness/PT business (EffortRx) and Will has left patient care all together for the time being to pursue a marketing business...

We dive into our journey as freshly minted escapees from the clinical burnout world and how Nick has been able to become a Doc in a Box.

Some MONSTER episodes to be coming at you every Wednesday morning!

Jul 18, 2018

This episode is a real treat to release as our great colleague, Morgan Denny, PT joins us for an in depth discussion on all the aspects of her passion filled career. Her influence as a teacher, a clinician, a leader, and as a friend has been consistently positive, and its no wonder we feel like we always learn something from her when she shares stories like the ones on this episode.

Morgan Denny received her Doctorate of Physical Therapy from the University of Montana in 2006. She has focused her work in outpatient orthopedic settings, addressing conditions and people of all sorts, both in the United States and around the globe. Morgan believes that it is hard to be happy without first being healthy, and holds a strong belief that all people should have access to the resources they need to lead able-bodied and fulfilling lives. With this in mind, she began traveling to Haiti to provide rehabilitative therapy in 2013, and found passion in addressing the need in this country.

While Morgan’s professional life has focused on physical therapy, she is also a strong advocate for implementing sustainable living practices. She spent two years creating a non-profit project called EcoJaunt, whose mission was to travel throughout the United States creating how-to videos that teach sustainable living tactics, which were then presented at schools and community forums, and on the website

Morgan is a conservationist and strives to reuse everything possible in order to decrease unnecessary waste that will pollute the environment. She has seen the importance of this practice worldwide, in travels through India, Nepal, Fiji, and Haiti, where waste clutters the streets and waterways, creating increasing health concerns. Morgan believes this to be a particularly important concept in Haiti, where the waste disposal system is lacking and water is unsafe for consumption.

While her treatment focus in Oregon has included orthopedic conditions and sports rehab, Morgan also enjoys working with pediatric and neurological cases abroad. Before becoming a PT, Morgan worked in a variety of settings (camps, clinics, therapeutic riding facilities) with diverse populations including children and adults with disabilities, varying neurological disorders, and children with systemic diseases, such as cancer and cystic fibrosis.

Contact Morgan and stay on top of her lectures and blogs at and 

Jul 11, 2018

In this passion-fueled conversation we reflect on some deeper realizations that have struck us recently. A lot of our discussion generates a general yet powerful recommendation, to become very curious. Do so early, and often, and especially if you're going into a service industry. If you're curious, you'll be more likely to build awareness of the influences of business and how it can interact with our behaviors and lives.

Some very wise words are shared by Will in this episode in particular. If were going to passionately express our observation of a struggle we've gone through, we might as well deliver some action steps in case others find themselves also struggling. Will highlights 3 key business principles that, when mastered, can make any person more valuable to a business (in terms of employment-more hirable). The funny thing is, you don't even really have to master these functions, just be better than some others are and you can help them.

  • Generate new leads or potential customers
  • Convert leads or potential customers into customers 
  • Retain customers for repeated service

When do we really learn how the basics of all that works? As Will and Nick describe, its never too late to learn. Check out the facebook group "Healthcare Digital Marketing" with Will and Alex Engar, those two are producing some incredible content and sharing solutions that can take your career to another level.

Jul 5, 2018

In this episode we sit down with recent Ph.D. recipient, Dr. Brian Leung from the University of Southern California. Dr. Leung was awarded his Ph.D. for doing research on the connection between the immune system and neurological disorders. You definitely aren't going to want to miss this one!

If you want to follow Dr. Leung and his work, keep up with him on Twitter at:


Jun 27, 2018

In this reflective episode, your grateful hosts Will and Nick sit down to discuss all the transformations that have occurred since the beginning of the podcast.

Together we have interviewed so many fabulous people and expanded our knowledge of so many topics. Its a shock to think that it's been two years since these episodes have been shared on iTunes, but the reward for sticking with the process this long is certainly proving to be invaluable. 

One of the greatest overarching themes we wanted to share with our listeners today is the action steps that have been shared with us over and over again. That starting something that will allow you to be creative or support your passion is a MUST - especially if it's not perfect at first. That common traits across great health care providers do exist, and what are they exactly? That learning never stops and the people you share that journey with are just as important as the destination.

Cheers and much love for the guests, the audience and supporters, and the mentors that have helped us learn as much as we have. The lessons and stories will always keep us hungry.

Jun 20, 2018

Collaborative efforts toward the success of a team mission can be a major success story when they pan out. This weeks episode features two guests, Casey Hanes and Ty Fischer, who have been collaborating to create a stellar project of their own, and we discuss the factors that go into making that team work successful. 

Casey and Ty are the hosts of "The Show with Casey and Ty", and if you haven't already checked them out, stop listening to this podcast and go tune into theirs! These guys go into a whirl wind of topics that all seem so relevant to the fitness, health, happiness, growth - mindset world.

As fitness coaches, Casey and Ty have both established themselves as well respected resources as they both are excellent coachers and movers themselves. Thats just part of the recipe for dream-work team-work though, and we dive into how core values, character similarities and disparities, and complimentary behaviors also factor in. 

Learn, act, repeat. -> Check out more content from Casey and Ty:

iTunes, google play, and soundcloud: THE SHOW with Casey and Ty

youtube: THE SHOW with Casey and Ty

instagram/twitter: @CaseyandTyler

Jun 13, 2018
  • How it all begins: clinical care leading to burn out leading to a quest for action
  • How a PT can begin a career in writing! The first roles may not be what you think
  • The beginning of NewGradPT and how it served as a launching pad
  • The birth of NonClinicalPT and it’s mission to provide hope and guidance
  • The evolution of learning and success after the formal education platform
  • Meredith’s unique integration of personality traits into her coaching lessons
  • Visit for some action steps
  • Action step 1: value introspection and ask yourself “why” Perform a love/hate assessment and a value assessment
  • Action step 2: perform a value assessment
  • Action step 3: dive into a mentorship or coaching relationship
  • Action step 4: devise a plan and get after it
  • Examples of some really cool projects and businesses started by PT’s
  • How to create structure for work and life in a non-clinical role: get yourself a calendar and to-do system ;)          
  • Is passion the key to unlocking internal locust of control and motivated structure?
  • Meredith’s newest career path article: exploring telehealth and the Wild West of tech in the PT industry
  • There is a growing number of awesome resources to learn about telehealth and how to get started. Check out for more info from Rob Vining
  • Check out Meredith’s articles, including her most recent work on careers in telehealth and a terrific spotlight article on @RobVining here:
  • Check out telehealthprime.comand use the code “nonclinical20” and receive 20% off the next cohort fully immersive ready-to-launch telehealth residency.
  • Facebook groups @         Nonclincal pt connections
  • Nonclinical job postings for rehab professionals LinkedIn at Meredith Castin


Jun 6, 2018

In this episode, we sit down with our dear friend and personal mentor, Greg Todd, Physical Therapist, clinic owner, online business owner, and mentor to hundreds of new graduates. 

In this episode Greg sheds light on what physical therapists in 2018 need to be doing and the skills they should be learning in order to avoid burnout, create financial and time freedom, and help as many people as possible.

We also highlight Greg's online academy, Smart Success Physical Therapy, which Will is an alumni of Season 3. Greg is hosting a free webinar on Saturday, June 9th at 12pm EST talking about ​​​​​​​The 9 Step Proven System To Doubling Your Earning Potential as a PT in 2 Months While Working Less Hours

Also, if you would like to sign up for Smart Success Season 6, check out Will's story about his experience being in SSPT and some cool opportunities to work with him!

Follow Greg on social at:

May 30, 2018

For this episode your hosts Will and Nick decided to sit down and hash out some of the most transformative decisions they've made in their careers. This discussion doesn't have a whole lot of "new" theory behind it, but its a really cool opportunity to connect with others who feel like we do - curious. 

What's it like on the other side of the fence? What if I choose something totally against the grain? What if my backup career plan fails? How do I explain myself to people wondering what I'm doing with my career?

Naturally, our discussion is packed with analogies and butchered science references. We somehow manage to tie together Newton's laws of motion into our professional trajectory, as well as profess our love for the Institute of Clinical Excellence. But the take home message we really want to drive home is answering those questions above for ourselves. 

We want other health/medical professionals, students, or anyone just trying to make a difference in this world to chase down their curiosity. This is a short life for many of us, so use your most important commodity (time) to explore your passions. There is no right or wrong first action step, just that you TAKE action.

May 23, 2018

Dr Costas Karageorghis is a reader in sport psychology and Divisional Lead for Sport, Health and Exercise Sciences. From 2009-14, he served as Deputy Head (Research) of the former School of Sport and Education and led preparations for two REF2014 subject submissions (Sports-Related and Education). Costas has established an international reputation for his research into the psychological, psychophysiological and neurophysiological effects of music. He has captured 25 research grants during his academic career.

Marcelo Bigliassi is a PhD student at Brunel University London/United Kingdom. He has concluded a BSc and MSc in physical education at Londrina State University/Brazil, including an Erasmus period in Sports Science at Technical University of Lisbon/Portugal. He has been working with psychophysiology since 2009 by integrating physiological measures to understand psychological phenomena during conditions of exercise. He has published 19 peer-reviewed manuscripts in national and international journals, 32 abstracts and 1 book chapter. His research was acknowledged by magazines and newspapers around the world: Fitness Magazine® (US), Shape Magazine® (US), Galileu and many other Brazilian newspapers. In 2012, Marcelo developed a new application on Facebook for people to use music before, during and after different modes of exercise. The fBeat was developed in partnership with the international companies FILA® and W3Hauss®.

Costas’s music research has been featured in newspapers around the world; most recently in the TimesIndependentNew York TimesWall Street JournalWashington Post and Sydney Morning Herald. In both 2011 and 2016 he was the recipient of the Sportesse Award for Sport and Exercise Sciences at the annual conference of the British Association of Sport and Exercise Sciences (BASES). The awards were for new theoretical and mechanistic work in the area of music and physical activity. He is currently working on multi-modal stimulation during physical activity that entails the use of music, video images, virtual reality and visual primes. Such work is oriented towards enhancing people's sensory experiences during physical activity, with a view to increasing exercise adherence and promoting public health.

See more of Costas' biography here:

Show notes

  • Home is where the heart is: where the journey of music began
  • The history of music research - applying scientific processes to explain the theories of performance enhancement 
  • Understanding the components of music using the Brunel Music Inventory 
  • The difference between synchronous and asynchronous music in exercise
  • Pre-post performance variables when combining music and activity 
  • What are the neurophysiological mechanisms of listening to music? Are affects of music more emotionally or physically driven, or both?
  • How can music impact the perception of fatigue during activity?
  • The supportive role music can play in the public health initiatives to increase physical activity 
  • The principle of entrainment - musical influences on sympathetic or automatic body and mind processes 
  • The direct and indirect impacts of music on working muscles 
  • Is the ergogenic affect of music turning into a debate on mind-body efficiency? 
  • An explanation for why different people may like or dislike certain songs 
  • The three attentional styles of people that may determine musical integration with activity 
  • The great debate: which gender is the better dancer? The evolutionary and sociological theories that may explain why women are more adept to move well with music 
  • A complete portrayal of Costa’s research can be found in his new book: Applying Music in Exercise and Sport (Human Kinetics, 2017)
  • Check out the diverse practices and findings from inside the labs @savibrunel


May 16, 2018

Chris Leib is a licensed Doctor of Physical Therapy and Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist with nearly a decade of experience in treating movement dysfunctions and enhancing human performance. Dr. Leib has a versatile movement background with a variety of certifications as both a physical therapist and fitness professional. Combining the worlds of therapy and fitness, Chris is uniquely qualified to help you get the most out of your body, while allowing you to sustain optimal physical health and longevity. Chris considers physical activity a vital process to being a complete human being and is passionate about helping others maximize their movement potential.


Check out Chris’ blog, videos, services and professional projects on his website, 


Show Notes 

  • Blending fitness and rehab, and making the line between them a little blurrier 
  • The usefulness of a structural diagnosis vs assessing where someone is on a spectrum of movement or activity
  • “The System of Readiness” - Qualifying the readiness someone may have for a movement or exercise, not necessarily what is safe or unsafe. How much control can be attained over a new process or a process that hasn’t been performed well in a long time
  • Providing individualized care to support the group setting workouts: educating and progressing self-regulation is key!
  • movement scalability is a game of inches, not an on/off switch. The value of turning “this hurts me” into “this hurts at this weight, in this position, at this time”
  • Devising a program by using the well-researched OPTIMAL tool: 
  • Understand and manipulate the intent of your programming - and progress based on the intent. As a PT with tons of education, don’t undervalue the simple principle that if strength is the goal, regardless of setting, that means LOAD
  • If you’re teaching or guiding movement practices, you absolutely should get your hands dirty kinesthetically and appreciate the difficulties your patients/clients/people are going through
  • The mindset on delivering people away from pain and into an autonomous movement practice
  • Steering people towards a plan of care that doesn’t emphasize medical imaging or structural diagnosis 
  • Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT): check out the Beck Institute:
  • Applying CBT to build therapeutic alliance and implement actionable steps toward a process of improvement
  • Skilled vs unskilled decision making 
  • Working to an over-arching life goal of happiness
  • The value of meditation and realizing that there are inevitable changes in life in order to move forward
  • Check out links to Chris’ youtube videos where he shares some GREAT content, he is on instagram as @movementprof and facebook @Chris Leib
May 9, 2018

In this episode, we chat with one of our favorite people on the planet, Dr. Alan Fredendall about motivational interviewing, population health, and his personal fitness journey. Alan is a practicing physical therapist, a recent graduate, and the COO of the Institute of Clinical Excellence.

We also make a major announcement in this episode that we are giving away a FREE trip to come attend an ICE course in Pittsburgh on June 23rd and 24th to one lucky listener. If you are interested, you can enter our drawing by going to the website below:

May 2, 2018

For another fantastic multiple-appearance guest episode, we welcome back the insightful local, Jon Herting, PT, DPT, CSCS, ACSM CE-P, USAW. Jon is a dynamic clinician who has been involved in rehabilitation and strength and conditioning for 10 years and has built a reputation among athletes as a clinician who promotes quick results and optimal outcomes. 


As a Doctor of Physical Therapy and Certified Strength and Conditioning coach he has worked with athletes of all levels from adolescent to Olympic level and is a part of USA Weightlifting’s Medical staff. Jon believes in a holistic approach to rehab and believes that the ultimate goal of the rehab process is patient autonomy. He believes that there is not a distinct line between rehab and the training process.


Jon currently serves as adjunct faculty at Widener University and has developed several continuing education courses for clinicians and certified strength and conditioning professional based around assessment and rehabilitation techniques.


Discussion topics of this show:

  • How specificity can drive a one shot-one kill treatment approach can improve outcomes
  • Coordinating across multiple settings and professions to support rehab AND fitness goals
  • Framing the “PT” conversation with coaches and trainers
  • Navigating around the speed bumps that may come up with inter-professional discussions
  • The ultimate factor: Karma 
  • A solid transition into breathing and breath work matters when it matters
  • Positional breathing and owning quality movement 
  • Where is the last place you’d think to find energy when you’re dogging it??


If you want to reach out to Jon or follow him on social media you CERTAINLY must! He has some gem’s he shares across the social media platforms, find him on facebook and instagram @JonHerting. His clicic in Southern PA is A beautiful location, if you’re in the area its a must see, especially with some of the new faculty. Check out The Training Room HERE: 

Apr 25, 2018

Elliot Berkman is an Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Oregon. His research is about the motivational and cognitive factors that contribute to success and failure real-world goals, as well as the neural systems that support goal pursuit. In addition to studying how goal pursuit works, Dr. Berkman’s research also seeks ways to facilitate health behavior change goals such as cigarette smoking cessation and dieting. His research combines the distinct strengths of several research methods including functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), cross-sectional and longitudinal survey methods, laboratory experiments, and translational neuroscience randomized controlled trials. Click here for more information about his research. He teaches courses in statistics, neuroimaging, and social psychology. His research and teaching have been recognized with the Social-Personality Health Network Early Career Award, the Joseph A. Gengerelli Distinguished Dissertation Award, the UCLA Social Psychology Dissertation Award, the Arthur J. Woodward Peer Mentoring Award and the UCLA Distinguished Teaching Award. He received his PhD in 2010 from the University of California, Los Angeles. His blog, The Motivated Brain, is located at Psychology Today, and he tweets as @Psychologician.

-Check out the SANLab website here

Show Notes:

  • What is autonomous regulation and how do we set goals for ourselves?
  • Are we at risk for being too passive with medical interventions, leaving an untapped level of autonomy and engagement on the table?
  • The influence of language and transparency of choice
  • Some key takeaways from a persons own narrative and gain deeper understanding about their decision making process
  • Navigating a subjective story of tragedy and framing a story or plan of success
  • What is an internal locus of control and how do external influences consume us
  • Bucking against perceived restraint
  • The future of behavior in our society and the influence of technology on our perception of reality
  • Read about the awesome work of Jeremy Bailenson here:
Apr 18, 2018

In this episode we sit down with Doctor of Chiropractic, Justin Rabinowitz. Justin is a movement-based Chiropractor based out of Warren, NJ and he is also the author of the recently published book, Beyond Fitness: Revealing The Secrets To An Active, Pain-Free Life.

In this episode we dive into how Justin has built his practice around a culture of movement, how he has marketed his practice, and what inspired him to publish a book. If you're interested in purchasing a copy of Beyond Fitness, you can find it here:

To learn more about Justin's practice you can check it out at:


Apr 11, 2018

The White Belt Mentality - A New Breed of SPT’s: featuring Nick Perugini 

Fusing a therapeutic approach with principles of coaching: A new hybrid of assessment, client intake, and progressions

How teachable is a “PT process?” Whats it like to really educate and collaborate with other professionals at an operational level to achieve a common mission

The white-belt mentality and the value of team transparency 

How a successful PT evaluation can create greater responsibility and autonomy from clients and coaches alike

Being a PT on the community level, going beyond the 1 on 1 care and forming a health alliance that is based on health literacy and relationships

How Nick took a stab at learning and expanding his horizon, adding responsibility as an SPT and what he’s learned about being uncomfortable as he grows

Some words of wisdom to help spin PT school or any learning experience and translate new knowledge into applicable skills

Check out Nick’s growing video archive at

follow Nick with his handles

If you’re in the #philly area and want to connect with some great folks, check out Nick’s crossfit gym,

Apr 4, 2018

In this episode, Nick and Will sit down with concierge physical therapists Josh Payne and David Bayliff. We dive into how Josh and David branched out from working in outpatient orthopedic clinics to transitioning to being cash-based mobile physical therapists, seeing patients in their home during the day. We're huge fans of finding different ways to leverage our knowledge as healthcare practitioners and this opens so many doors for those entrepreneurs amongst us!

To learn more about Josh, you can read and follow him by checking out his website: Freedom Physical Therapy

To learn more about David, you can read and follow him by checking out his website: Bayliff Integrated Wellness


Mar 28, 2018

Sam is an amazing person doing such great work for her local community, her colleagues, and for health organizations across the world. If you want to follow her work check her out at Samantha Fien on and 

We dive into the diverse background of Sam and her professional projects, including her path from a bachelors degree in exercise science to completing her PhD thesis. We discuss Sam’s research “Gait performance in residential aged care and the benefits of exercise”, winning the Emerging Researcher in Ageing (ERA) international scholarship for 2017, her international experience studying group exercise and gait metrics in older adults, and how to create a healthy, more sustainable community.

“They’ve lived for so long already, why not treat them as they are and reward them for living so long and being able to exercise, to walk, and talk, and do everything else like other human beings.” Sam on the importance of providing care for older adults

If you aren’t already calling it a “wheelie walker”, try it. It will make your day.

If you have an extra minute, please share/retweet/support Sam’s efforts to go to the World Health Assemble in Geneva in May 2018. We need people like Sam representing the hard working citizens that care about their health!

Thanks to @MegLowryPT for connecting us with Sam!

Mar 21, 2018

In this weeks episode we chat about the possible factors that drive sales in the healthcare market. Are we listening to patients and allowing their expectations to guide the subjective reports? How do we get better at the selling mindset, and does it have to be all about business? Will has been crushing the marketing and service department lately, so this episode was a really fun ride as he took us from soft skills to converting tactics. 

Mar 14, 2018

In this episode we catch up with physical therapist and Telehealth pioneer, Rob Vining of

In this episode we talk about the logistics of starting one's own Telehealth practice, the financial side (potential income vs. costs) of Telehealth, and Rob's view of Telehealth becoming a staple of the profession. 

To learn more about Telehealth and all the awesome work Rob is doing, you can check him out at:


Mar 7, 2018

In this episode Will sits down with repeat guest, Joe Reinke, CEO of FitBUX to discuss the changes that could be coming for student loan debt holders with pending government budget changes. With so many of our listeners faced with student loan debt, we felt that it was a good time to keep on top of the potential changes coming. 

Feb 28, 2018

In this episode, our 100th episode!!!!, Nick sits down with Dr. Jon Herting, PT, DPT and PT Student Nick Perugini to discuss all things mentorship, teaching, and coaching when it comes to movement, strength training, and coaching. Nick was a student of Jon's and they share some incredible insight into what makes a successful mentor/student relationship.

Feb 21, 2018

First and foremost, a huge thank you goes out to our audience and supporters. We have nearly made it to 100 episodes and for every download, share, or engagement, Will and I thank you.

When I jumped on board with this project I progressed through the feelings of curiosity and anxiety and found growth. In this episode I dive into how that growth process has influenced my endeavors, from school to podcasting, and hopefully I coherently share how its still guiding me today. - Nick

Feb 14, 2018

I decided to mix it up a little this week. Nick and I get reached out to frequently (which still boggles our mind that people want to talk to us!) and regularly get asked about our career paths. With that in mind I wanted this to be a raw, un-cut look into the different possibilities I am exploring with my healthcare background. Hope this brings some value to all our healthcare friends! - Will

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